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Date:  Re: Any advanced terran tactics?
Avenger~TC~ 
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Wed Jan 6 07:32:58 


On Wed Jan 6 07:00:57, Terranrulez wrote:
> I am interested in any tactics.

Try some of these, they work pretty well

EARLY GAME

~Build command centers at your base and fly them to the selected 
expansion site
~Spider Mine chocke points to stop dark templar rushes / lurkers 
moving in
~Build a comsat early, you'll use the detection power a lot
~Bunker-Seige tank advance: This is a complex one. Build 2 bunkers, 
put the usual 3 marines, 1 firebat in each one, bring 2 scvs, 2 
medics for the scvs, and 2 seige tanks. Now, have the scvs build 
missle turrets and bunkers, and just advance in a line of bunkers and 
tanks and missle turrets...hard to stop, beacuase if attacked you can 
just fall back along your line

MID GAME

~Expand, expand, expand
~Keep up the bunker / seige attack, but also do some upgrades to your 
armor and guns. Make some goliaths for base defense, and have at 
least 2 starports
~Make air: Your force should have an equal number of valks and 
wraiths, wraiths as your strategic force, valks on patrol to stop 
enemy air, possibly with wraith backup

LATE GAME

~Keep up the expansion and take some of your opponents
~Build covert ops and physics lab
~Build around 4 science vessels, making sure they have all their 
upgrades
~Get some battlecruisers with yamoto, attack enemy bases with yamoto 
taking out the turrets, dropships landing marines and goliaths to 
take out other targets, vultures to get the peons, wraiths / valks to 
cover the cruisers, and if the marines and goliaths take out the 
other turrets, land some scvs, to build missle turrets of your own 
and bunkers to guard them, ALL ON ENEMY TERRITORY
~Use ghosts to nuke his choke points, and before he can respond, rush 
some upgraded vultures throught the gap, right for the peon line, and 
have a ghost squad, specifically to be on the move snipering him

Well, I hope some of these are of help to you. Just remember slow 
advances and ALWAYS UPGRADING / PRODUCING, and you should do pretty 
well.



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Date:  Re: Terran players!! help your pal here at ladder
Bobo 
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Fri Jan 8 05:32:23 


Well, in the early game build marines out of two barracks so you'll 
be safe from early rushes (against another terran you might wanna 
build two bunkers and go straight to tanks and wraiths), then, if you 
can't attack his base and do some damage, you should decide what's 
next depending on your opponent: 
Zergling: third barracks, keep pumping marines. If he made sunkens 
make some tanks, but don't stop your marines from coming. 
Hydras: a tanks-marines combo will do better than anything else.
Zealots: True, fire bats rule against them, but i think that you 
should go more in the tanks+marines direction, so you'll be able to 
strike out cannons easily.
Marines: bunker up with an scv around, to fix. A bunker being 
repaired can take out amazing numbers of marines. When playing 
another terran you should go for tanks if the map is fairly small, 
and wraiths in bigger maps, for map domination. Of course you need 
both of them, but make one of them in big numbers and the other just 
for support (for example - go for wraiths and make tanks for hitting 
missle turrets).
Of course you should expand at some point, do it when you feel you 
can secure it (but never start building tons of bunkers and stuff, a 
minimal defence is fine, especially if you got wraiths).

If the game is not decided you might wanna get Battle Cruisers 
(eventhough against Terran I prefare sticking to the Wraiths), and 
Science-Vessels, especially for the irridate, or putting defensive 
matrix on the BC's. Nukes are nearly worthless (too expansive) on SC, 
but I heard that on BW (i don't have it yet) they cost less and take 
less supplies. But the ghost can get useful - if they went for 
BattleCruisers or Carriers, locking them is very effective.

In Island games it's a bit more complicated and I won't start with 
itm but basically against zerg, wraiths+marines then BC's, against 
toss Wraiths+Tanks, and the same (maybe a bit less tanks) against 
Terran.

Well, I hope I've been helpful, I sure did my best...




The time it takes to repair 1HP is different for every unit.
Though I do not know exactly how long it takes to heal a BC, I think 
its basically the more expensive the unit is, the longer it will take.
As for the cost... I did experiments about this and it turned out to 
be that if you heal a unit from 1HP to full, it takes around 1/3 or 
1/4 of the original cost. For some units it was 1/3 and for some 
units it was 1/4. I think BCs cost 1/4 the original price to repair.Spartacus!




Well try this load 3 overlords with 2 drones one defiler and the rest 
upgraded hydras then just force you're way with scourge to the 
nearest available island none of the races except BC's still have an 
efffective scourge killer and whe on the island unload quickly start 
a hatchery and cast dark swarm over the hatchery and the hydras and 
keep just one overlord there for detection and send the rest back for 
another pick up some zerglings to recharge the defiler and more 
hydras when the hatchery is done go hydra nuts on that island because 
spore colonies aren't worth anything because good Protoss players use 
disruption web.
Basicly use scourge they can get the path clear for enough time to 
get some overlords over.Good Luck




   Dear Zerg player, I am a protoss player...and although I can not 
give you the best strats out there, I can tell you what I fear...and 
in that I hope you can find some answers.
   A double stargate tactic is great aganst zerg, it kills 
overlords/mutas/gardians.  So the zerg must go a differant strat.  
Instead of going for mutas, build 2-3 hatcharys at home base and 
build hydras.  Upgrade there speed/range.  Upgrade overlord speed and 
transport.  Drop Hydras outside base if it is an island map like 
"snowbound."  Than use the hydras to push your way to  expantion.  
   If it is a true island map, than try to sneek some overlords in 
and drop hydras at toss main base.  If toss went double stargate and 
corsiers, than they will have weak ground force, so if you can find a 
gap in the cannons, they will fall.
   Now, expanind on true island map...if a toss is GOOD and he has 
all the bases and your base watched by corsiers, than you need to 
create some scourge and than send overlords to expantion full of 
hydras and a few drones.  Dont let him expand...Use scourge to scout 
expantions, and if you see him start expanding...kill shuttle with 
scourge or hydra drop around the new expantion...remember, if the 
corsiers dont get the overlords before they drop their load, than 
corsiers die..cant attack ground and hydras chew them up.  If you 
notice, i dont mention mutas...mutas on island maps, as far as I have 
seen, are not worth the time.  Even the new heavy air unit is 
unimpressive.  Go hydra heavy with scourge and do recon ALOT to stop 
toss from expantion.  In later game, create defilers/queens/scorge 
because a carrier fleet is on its way.
   Many of this can be expounded upon and improved, but I hope it 
gives zerg players a few ideas aganst toss, for it does seem that the 
roles have been reversed on island maps with brood war.



www.starladder.com




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Date:  I find the new terran almost useless, but...
The Antar 
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Thu Jan 7 17:09:13 


On Thu Jan 7 16:37:27, HELP!  Narf's Shadow wrote:
> Ok, I got broodwars a while ago (a few days after Christmas, my 
> parents didn't but it for me =( ), and have been having a few 
> problems using terrans.  I used to think of myself as (almost) a 
> terran guru, or at least well on my way.  I enjoy the race a lot, but 
> lately I have been having some... difficulties... using them against 
> other experienced players using either zerg or toss.

Me too.  Although I am a terran at heart, I must admit, we got the 
shaft.  I think that valkyries needed to be stronger for their cost, 
they just aren't worth it.

> Let me say right here what I am looking for:  Good, solid 
> _strategies_ for BW terran, that if fail, will not necessaraly put me 
> extremely behind (like building marines and medics for the first 1/3 
> of the game, to have them be slaughtered by the toss's first 
> templar).  When (if) you reply, try and post in detail, not like 
> "build 12 tanks, 12 goliaths, upgrade both, and attack".  I 
> want a way to build torward a nice attack force while retaining good 
> defence (so I don't get rushed/swarmed/out-expanded, etc).

OK...I prefer early tank-jumping to medics.  The only problem is that 
its a LITTLE bit slower on the comsat, but no different on the E-bay 
if you need detection.  An early tank push is a great game ender, 
especially vs zerg (zealots tend to kick a$$ against them early).

  Hmm...make sure you scout, but here is my order.  Note that it is 
pretty tough to stop a double rush or so with it, but it can stop 
most single rushes.

8th SCV depot
When done depot, make barracks (should be right after 10th SCV)
Next two drones make depot, then barracks.
the barracks one (first rax, that is) makes a vespene geyser.

Make an ebay, bunker, and a few marines as scouts and early defense.  
When you have the refinery done, get 3 SCVs on it (usually the ones 
who build the depot and barracks finish just in time to do this, so 
you don't need to take any SCVs off minerals).  One factory at 100 
gas, then another when soon after, when you can afford it.

  This order works because of the immense advantage it gives you in 
peons.  You are a good 2-3 peons ahead of someone who goes 
7th-barracks early game, but you are more vulnerable to a rush.  
Also, that blasted 6-ling rush sometimes works, but not always (if 
you use peons and marine dancing, you can usually live on...).
 
> Here are some things I have tried, and why they don't work:
> 
> Medics and marines:  OK, this one really does vary on usefulness, but 
> against a good player that tecs up reasonably fast, it just fails.  
> Any marine (even while being healed) that is being attacked by more 
> than 1 unit, just plain can't take it.  It would be cool if multiple 
> medics could heal the same target, but they can't, so it isn't =(.  
> Also a limiting factor are units that do a lot of damage in a single 
> hit, and most any spellcaster.  These are like sunkens, photons, 
> ultras, archons, etc.  and templars, defilers..  you get the idea.

The key is to hit earlier with this attack.  You *can* effectively 
get on off around the same time a second DT is coming out.  IF you 
have a comsat, you can probably take him out.  NOTE:  Rushing a 
protoss is REALLY risky nowadays (dts ROCK rushes).  This force is a 
good anti-zerg force, because sunkens are killed by marine/medic 
forces with few losses.  Of course...beware of lurkers, and don't 
rush if they have them.  Basically, rushing tends to lose games in 
Brood War, and this is fine with me.
 
> Tanks and marines:  OK, when I try this, I basically get maybe one or 
> two bunkers (for temporary use), 3 or so barracks, and two factories. 
>  I get 12 or maybe 24 marines, and 4-5 tanks.  I try and make it as 
> fast as possible, so more likely to have 12 marines than 24.  This 
> sometimes works REALLY well (expecially against those toss using 
> early and heavy photon defence), and sometimes it gets creamed, 
> leaving me with little or no deffence, no army, and no expantions.  
> It usually doesn't work when the opponent gets heavy grunt level 
> units, like zeolots or zerglings (melee units only, really).  They 
> rush the marines, then take out the tanks at leasure while they try 
> and unseige (cause the attackers are too close, or that the firing 
> tanks are killing other thanks that a few lone units are attacking).

Try moving out with about 18 marines and 2-3 tanks.  This force will 
clobber zerglings (keep marines in FRONT of tanks), because zerglings 
tend to die easily to marines alone, let alone marines with siege 
fire in front of them.  Either hit earlier, or wait longer and bring 
in the firebats and medics (with comsat).  Firebats rock zealots and 
zerglings, medics keep them alive, and tanks rock defense.  Its 
probably more worth your while to be patient, now that I think about 
it.
 
> Tanks and upgraded goliaths:  This just seems too hard to manage.  
> Goliaths kick ass against air, but against ground it is a different 
> story.  If I can put it together, I can usually make a lasting 
> impression on their base, but almost as frequently, I get massed by 
> heavy air or heavy ground, not a combination of both.  So I have 12 
> goliaths, they attack with guards (maybe), and a ton of mutas.  I may 
> kill the mutas, but often 2 or 3 are left to kill undefended tanks.  
> Other situation is that 30+ hydras or zeolots crush my tanks and the 
> pathetic goliaths trying to poke a hole in their damn carcases.

Hmm, sounds like you need Science vessel and air support.  About 4 
SVs and a squad of wraiths will help deal with these things.  Just 
keep wraiths away from corsairs unless you like losing wraiths 
insanely fast. :(
 
> Mass wraiths:  I have had NO, none, nada, or ANY success from these.  
> By the time I get enough to do anything useful, the opponent has 
> hydras or templars, and that just plain sucks.  Even if I rush for 
> them, it is still too easy to kill 24 wraiths in 5 seconds with a 
> single templar, or 12 hydras (and early detection is very common 
> because of DTs, most people will be prepared for cloak).

Hmm...yeah it takes work.  I seem to have luck keeping wraiths alive, 
that is, until I run into corsairs.  Oh well, keep trying to dodge 
those psi storms, because it IS possible to do.  Wraith+tank forces 
work well too, just not vs corsairs (this is recurring).
 
> Mass BCs:  Just get killed by temps, defilers, devourers, and scouts. 
>  Nuff said.

You need to support BCs with EMP.  Also, spell casters are the 
biggest threat, so don't hesitate to yamato any spell casters nearby. 
 Just remember that psi storm doesn't work after the templar has been 
EMP'd.
 
> Mass BCs with other stuff:  Sometimes the other stuff gives the 
> darkswarmed hydras something to chase after when the BCs are dead =). 
>  Irradiate really sucks against hydras (most players just burrow that 
> hydra, and even if they don't, at most it may kill 2-3 hydras, and 
> doesnt do much against a force of 24).  I have yet to try tanks and 
> BCs, but I have high expectations of this.  Not many other useful 
> combos.

High expectations is an understatement!  I love this attack.  Just 
make sure you back it up with SVs.  Oh yeah one other thing, I'd go 
with about 8-10 BCs and a squad of wraiths, that speed and cloaking 
really helps out an attack.  Just watch out for corsairs.
 
> Nukes (along with another strategy):  Ooh. Nukes are really cool!  
> That is, except when the other player (experienced player) recognizes 
> the position of the ghost at once, and with one of half a dozen 
> detectors that he got early on for DTs, uncloaks, and kills.  Other 
> dispensive tactics are stasis, psi storm, lurkers, patroling 
> overlords.. (list goes on).  The other disadvantage for nukes, is 
> that unless your opponent is rediculously stupid, it is impossible to 
> kill someone with nukes alone.  Maybe take out their choke, maybe 
> their army (rarer, because most of the time it is on the move), maybe 
> even a hatch/nexus and surrounding probes.  Almost NEVER all 3 at 
> once (these are the first 3 places a player will check), and that is 
> if he even lets one get by at all.

Try nuking flying units to hide the dot.  Works wonders.  Also, nuke 
with two ghosts on one spot at the same time, only one warning goes 
off, and killing the ghost usually lets people know they've stopped 
the nuke.  A double nuke guarentees that one will hit (if you spread 
the ghosts out somewhat, of course).
 
> Geez, I am out of strategies!  Valks are cool, but I don't find a 
> practacle use for them until late game, but that is when they really 
> suck the most because of armor upgrades vs splash damage upgrades.  
> You rarely see swarms of air until they are at least partially 
> upgraded, and I know I never really use mass air until at least 
> upgraded to 1/1, at a bare minimum.
> 
> So what do I do?  Has someone found a flaw in my strategies?  I try 
> using stuff together, but it usually falls to a concentrated force of 
> something or another.  Hate to say it, but is there a terran 
> imbalance?  Their biggest disadvantages include the lack of a really 
> good massing unit, and the lack of a solid 'area attack' spell, like 
> psi storm or plauge.  EMP is cool, but it takes too much to cast, and 
> so temporary, that it's limitations are limited.  OK, so someone 
> daring enough.. pleasy respond to this, and try and contribute 
> something.  I'd apriciate it a lot.  Thanks. =)

Once you have a tank/marine force early, expand.  At least, this is 
my timing, and it tends to work.  Take cliffs with flying CCs if you 
can, they are much safer than ground expansions.
 
> Narf's Shadow
> narfsshadow@hotmail.com
> "Never send a boy to do a man's job."

  "There is method in his madness"

The Antar

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